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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 22, 2019 14:41:47 GMT
Hi Leo,
It should have a 3.0 or better Ni-cad battery there--any form that fits will work. -- Nothing--fresh one will last 10 or so, years, in commercial service.
Ron Rich
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 23, 2019 13:27:10 GMT
Thank you Ron! A few more things please. If I look for a 3.0 Ni-cad battery I get a host of different types and sizes from small AA types to power tool monsters. Please be a little more specific. Is it one or two batteries? There are two in there now. Is hard soldering the only way to install the battery? When the battery is changed does the memorac or anything else need to be reset? Also, the purpose of the battery to just hold memory for? I have no trouble stacking selections for play, how does it remember that?
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 23, 2019 13:47:09 GMT
Leo,
Like I ( and the Post Office here in the USA--PLEASE, see our posting rules, in the user introductions section) says--if it fits -it works (ships). Various styles were used by Rowe--Last type was the "button" (3020) style-- You can get that in solder-in, or slip-in style. To use the latter, you must first install a holder.
As for the record Que, that's retained as long as you have power applied--turn the phono off, and you will loose that, if the batt. is low/bad.
Ron Rich
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 23, 2019 16:55:00 GMT
Please excuse me if I violated some protocol in my postings. I'm just very pleased that I found a forum with some information on this very eclectic topic. Again I thank you for your kind help.
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 23, 2019 17:05:58 GMT
Leo,
No "violation"--& we're happy you found this place ! Please just read the post, and comply by at least listing your country, and adding your name to your posts, as requested there.
Ron Rich
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 23, 2019 18:24:21 GMT
OK, so the 3.0 or better Nicd battery refers to the voltage (3.0V), correct?
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 23, 2019 18:25:11 GMT
Oh I'm sorry my information did not show up.....pardon
New Jersey, USA
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Post by amiman66 on Jun 24, 2019 11:54:22 GMT
The rechargeable batteries used on the R-83 to R-88 CCC are 2.4 volts and usually Varta batteries.
Regards
Alan
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 24, 2019 13:06:04 GMT
Hi Alan,
As usual--you are correct --thanks, Ron
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 24, 2019 13:36:28 GMT
You guys are great! In order to use this battery it appears that I need a couple of spade terminals with wires that have to be soldered in place on the board. Does the battery need some kind of a holder or bracket or does it just hang in place where it has been wired?
Leo Maragliano
New Jersey, USA
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 24, 2019 13:44:31 GMT
Leo,
The board has "optional connections", depending on which brand/type of battery is used. -- be sure the + is in one of the + holes, and the - is in a minus hole--solder will hold that battery in place--or you can run two wires outside the plastic, using Velcro to fasten the battery to the outside-- no problem ! Ron Rich
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Post by amiman66 on Jun 25, 2019 9:20:15 GMT
Hello Leo,
Some of the latter CCC's used in the R-84 to R-88 had solder connections for an oblong and the Varta 3 pin 2.4 volt battery, if you use this type and the new type connections are not there you can drill a small hole in the board for the negative connection and only use one of the positive connections on the battery.
Regards
Alan
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 26, 2019 14:24:51 GMT
Some disagreeing opinion, and please remember that I'm not looking to sell or advocate for anyone, just trying to determine the cause of my problem. I was able to contact my jukebox repair person who being knowledgeable and patient was able to walk me through the complete removal and servicing of the rotating record carriage and CCC board on my R84 several years ago. He says that the battery is not necessarily the reason that my "Most Popular" number is stuck at 232. He referred to a site where on the web where this new board is being sold to replace the "chip" mentioned which he believes could more likely be the source of my problem. Here is some information which I copied to share with you, I hope that copying it does not violate any rules from it's source or here on this forum.
The R84CHIP is a circuit board module designed as a direct plug-in replacement for the obsolete microprocessor
chip in Rowe jukeboxes that use the 6-08870-0x Central Control Computer. This includes all models R-84 to R-88.
The module replaces the old microprocessor with an advanced microcontroller design to exactly duplicate the
jukebox operation. The module is self-contained with its own non-volatile memory, therefore, you can remove the
NiCad backup battery and protect your jukebox computer board from destructive "acid damage".
The module comes with two pin strip headers and an IC socket. Depending on your jukebox circuit board part
number, you would either be using the U1 position for part # 6-08871-04 circuit boards (Mostek) or the U2 position
for 6-08871-01 boards (Rockwell). The larger pin diameter of the pin strips will be soldered into the correct U1 or
U2 position then plugged into the 40-pin socket at IC position Z115 on the Rowe jukebox control board.
Please comment on this for me. The idea of getting rid of the troublesome battery is most appealing......
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 26, 2019 17:01:37 GMT
Leo,
I sell that replacement item, and also exchange that CCC in conjunction with "Mr. Grumpy" at that site. The update is VERY reliable, and does eliminate that battery-- That battery IS needed (in good shape), for the original style CCC to "remember" all settings, and "build lists"-- If you want to purchase/exchange your old CCC, for an updated unit, you may contact me at : ronnnrich@yahoo.com. If you would like to purchase just the update kit, and self-install contact DataSync. as they are located "next to you" in "Jersey" ! (BTW--that site is shown in our FAQs section !)Ron Rich
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Post by Leo Maragliano on Jun 26, 2019 18:19:03 GMT
Ron, if I'm understanding you correctly it's only the battery causing my problem and not this "chip" that has also been implied as a cause. Ideally I want
fix only what is deficient. Is there anyplace where I could go for a detailed explanation of what the buttons and switches do on my CCC board control and how to use them?
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