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Post by radiorandy on Jul 23, 2019 22:42:35 GMT
Hello, I got a tip on a possible Wurlitzer purchase. The only info I could get from the seller is: floor-standing, plays 45s, has coin gear and says "Golden Oldies Stereo".
She called it a mini or Junior(?) Maybe 4 feet tall?
Does this ring any bells? Link to a picture? Thanks! Randy
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Post by Ron Rich on Jul 23, 2019 23:16:56 GMT
Hi Randy,
Sorta vague here-- I can't hazard a guess--lol--- BTW--Whatz a "Wurlitzr" ?? Ron Rich
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Post by radiorandy on Jul 24, 2019 4:42:43 GMT
Only sorta vague? Waz hoping YOU knew.
It's miles away, and she can't move it to see if there's a nameplate on the back. Don't know if it's an original, a Mexican copy, or a Crosley POS. Sez it's a little rusty. OUCH! But 45 RPM stereo can't be all bad?
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Post by Hildegard on Jul 24, 2019 10:57:35 GMT
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Post by Ron Rich on Jul 24, 2019 12:12:06 GMT
Sorry Randy,
Like I said somewhere in the FAQs section (Hi Newbies ?), I can't read minds --- It appears to me that Hildegard is much more capable then I, at it !! ( A super nice lady !!) Ron Rich
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Post by Hildegard on Jul 24, 2019 13:21:03 GMT
Super big  , Ron. Thank you! |
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Post by radiorandy on Jul 25, 2019 1:48:58 GMT
Thanks, Hildegard for the info and the links. The mech on the mini NSM box is scary!
I had an NSM Prestige for a couple of years. Very Seeburg Select-O-Matic in nature.
You're right: Any juke that says "Golden Oldies" probably has to be a repro of some sort.
I'm going to have to take a run out to the owner's house and see what this thing is.
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Post by Ron Rich on Jul 25, 2019 2:46:20 GMT
Randy,
IMHO, the ONLY thing Seeburg and NSM 45 rpm mechs., had in common, was the vertical play feature ! Ron Rich
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Post by Hildegard on Jul 25, 2019 10:11:36 GMT
Right, on first look the mechanisms of Seeburg and NSM look similar. But when NSM switched to the vertical play they did register for several own patents. E.g. for the drive of carriage and TT and with less moving parts to reduce side noises. Electro-Kicker from France producing Jupiter jukeboxes also used a vertical play. But compared to Seeburg and NSM they did not use a type of Tormat but selection coils. The mechanism in Minibox is the old style Fanfare-Mechanism. All records are on a stack. When a selection is being made, the stack lets that much records drop down until the right one can be reached and played from the needed side. I found a Youtube video where it can be seen: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmA5yz0NgzcThere were Fanfare 60, Fanfare 100 and Fanfare 100 stereo. In the video it's the Fanfare 100 (mono). Hildegard |
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Post by Ron Rich on Jul 25, 2019 13:00:51 GMT
Hi Hildegard,
As I understand it (which well could be wrong!--all rumor), NSM started out assembling Seeburg products for sale in EU. The last model they assembled was the LPC--- after which that partnership dissolved and NSM started making their own units. For awhile, they produced one(some?) models using a Tormat-- Seeburg filed suit, and won that-- Ron Rich
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Post by Hildegard on Jul 25, 2019 22:22:21 GMT
Hi Ron, NSM was founded as a sister company of Löwen-Automaten (translation: Lion's Automats) in 1952. Löwen-Automaten itself was founded in 1949 for arcade games and amsuement entertainment. With NSM they created a company to produce arcade games and later as well jukeboxes. The first NSM jukebox came out with model Fanfare 60 in 1956. But before Löwen-Automaten imported and distributed Seeburg jukeboxes starting in 1953. It is right, they also assembled jukeboxes over here due to tax and custom reasons. Löwen-Automaten continued to distribute Seeburg jukeboxes though NSM produced jukeboxes every year. From 1961 on Seeburgs were distributed by SEEVEND in Hamburg - an import company created by Seeburg itself (from what I know). I never heard Löwen-Automaten also assembled LPC models which then would have been later than 1961. The last one I heard of was model Channel, but I don't know if it was indeed the last model assembled instead of just imported over here. Model LPC was distributed by SEEVEND already. So when the contract between Löwen-Automaten and Seeburg ended, it was indeed the year when NSM changed their mechanism in 1961. I am sure they could study Seeburgs a lot before, but I guess they started to produce a new mechanism already before 1961. Because a company always needs time to explore and test - and patents were applied for in 1960. But these models did still use a pinbank.
The kind of Tormat - NSM did not name it that way but ferrit core equipment - was used first in 1969 with model Prestige 160.
They continued the ferrit core equipment until their 1975 models and in 1976 they started with so called E-technology: No more drive belt, no more ferrit cores. This was followed by ES, ES II to ES VI.
I don't know if there was a lawsuit with Seeburg, it might be right. I think - I would need to check a manual - that their first models for the US market did not use ferrit core equipment. Maybe that's the reason why.
Hildegard
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, Ron. Thank you!