Help! How to remove lower chrome trim?

[johnlivo]

Hi guys! Could really use your help on my 1958 Rockola 1458

My grill work and lower chrome trim is in bad shape so I would like to remove it to have it restored. Removed as many screws as I possibly can but it’s quite a mystery to me still how to remove these pieces. Can anyone give me any insights?

I removed the three sides screws on both sides as well as all of the screws on the bottom. I did not remove the main metal legs that support the unit though. Wondering if I need to remove those as well? Don’t want to lay the unit on its banks so Hoping not.

John in Portland Oregon

[johnlivo]

This machine is quite clean, but hasn't been run in a good number of years I guess.

Besides doing these cosmetic improvements, I have been restoring the Amplifier. I put in all new caps, and checked and replaced bad resistors and tubes.

But I haven't plugged it in yet. I am wondering, is this when I plug it in and see what else doesn't work?

John in Portland, OR

[Ron Rich]

Hi John,
Could give you my "standard answer", about removing your parts-- always works, when I don't know what I'm talking about--"Di-no-mite" !
On the amp, please, for safety, if nothing else, plug it into a "dim bulb tester", for the first time. Good luck with both--- Ron Roch

[johnlivo]

Thanks Ron for the wise advice. I will be careful.

Today I was looking over the machine and putting together a shopping list. Primarily, I wanted to see the status and condition of the Idler. The idler I was surprised to find is in pretty good shape, and may even work, but what I was somewhat surprised to find is that the motor that turns the Idler was not in it's place, but just sitting off to the side.

The reason I assume is because the rubber grommets that held it in place had probably deteriorated, and were missing. I am pretty sure I can order some more of those from Victory Glass or somewhere, but as you can see in this picture two of the screws that the grommets go on are also missing. One is still in tact which is great, because it helps me to know what I am looking for.

Do you think I can order something like this screw? And is there some other washer or something that I am missing besides these screws that I need find?

Also, can anyone tell me what that black handle looking thing is that is right in front of the turntable? It really stands out, but I have no idea what it's function is.

Thanks everyone!

John in Portland, OR

[johnlivo]

Here is the black handle part that is also in question.  It is right in front of the turntable. 

I have ordered a manual for this machine, but haven't received it yet.  Till then, sorry for all the extra questions. 

John in Portland, OR

[Ron Rich]

Hi John,
The screw will be a "Hardware store" item-- the SPACER, that MUST BE on that screw, will NOT be--
See your parts manual--
That "Handle" is not a handle, it is the "rest" for the gripper arm, when a record is playing---
Ron Rich








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[johnlivo]

Thanks for responding Ron! Is the one remaining screw that I have on this motor complete (besides the rubber grommet/motor mount)?

I have a manual on the way in the mail.

Once the grommet is held in place by the screw is it the three grommets then that hold the turntable motor where it goes?

I guess Victory Glass might have the grommets/motor mounts I need? Think they would also have the SPACERS? Since you say that is something I won't find at the hardware store.

Thanks for explaining about the gripper arm rest. I was pushing and pulling on it and expecting it to release the whole turntable platform, and thinking it would all lift up or something. But nothing ever happened ^_^ How funny now that you tell me it is just a rest for the gripper arm. LOL

John in Portland, OR

[johnlivo]

Yesterday I went through the Pin Bank on my machine, and was glad to find that they all move rather freely!

Thanks for the support everyone. Just a few weeks ago I didn't even know what a Pin Bank was!

John in Portland, OR

[johnlivo]

Help Mr. Wizard!!! Hi Ron or anyone, I am really struggling to remove this lower piece of Chrome trim on my Rockola 1458. I got the two side pieces off, but it's a mystery how the bottom front trim piece is attached.

I removed every screw I could find, and have done everything I possibly can think of to get this bottom trim piece off, but it is still on so tight.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

John in Portland, OR

[Ron Rich]

Hi John,
Suggestion--have you l@@ked in the parts book--often they will show the fasteners there--often not ?? Ron Rich

[johnlivo]

Ron, right, I got a manual for it, but that is it, it didn't come with a Parts Book. I hadn't thought to ask when I ordered the manual, but you are right there may also be another book that would offer some more insights on this machine.

But have been over it with a fine toothed comb looking for screws and fasteners, and believe I have removed all. So, I wonder if perhaps this lower piece of trim isn't also glued into place, because even with all fasteners removed it still is so solid, and I can't even get a screw driver or anything in between the trim piece and the wood frame of the machine. All the other pieces have come off one by one, but this last bottom piece remains a mystery to me.

That is why I cried out, "Help Mr Wizard!

John in Portland, OR

[Ron Rich]

Hi John,
Well too bad you did not read our FAQ's first- there is a note abut "ordering books" there--tells one to "Purchase the (whole) package"--LOL--
Just Guessin'-- could be glue-could be old "mop water"-- could be a hidden screw ?? I dono --sorry. Ron Rich

[johnlivo]

Good Morning Ron, so at last the mystery of the stubborn trim has been solved. You were right and I was right! It was glued on, and yes it did take dynamite to remove it! LOL

Based on the way this trim piece was designed and attached with screws and such, there was no need to use glue to hold it on, but I am guessing that whoever installed it back in 1958 just slapped some glue on it like they did the two side pieces of wood that was underneath the two side trim chrome pieces.

If they hadn't glued it, it would have been an easy removal just like the trim pieces on the side, but with that glue there was really no way for me to remove it, so I placed a piece of wood over it, and hit it with a mallet a few times, and was ever so glad and relieved to finally see it come off!

Part of what gave me the confidence that I had removed all the screws and that there was nothing more that I could do was that Mr. Stamann of the German Jukebox Parts company in Germany kindly sent me an illustration showing exactly where all the screws were that held this trim piece in place, and since I knew I had already removed all of those, I knew the only thing that could be remaining holding the underlaying piece of wood down was glue, so I went to wacking.

I had already searched and found a Chrome repair place in my area, so I was able to drop it off there to have it restored. Now I just have to wait 12 weeks for them to do it. LOL.

If I am lucky it will be done by Christmas!

Anyway, thanks for the support along the way.

John in Portland, OR

[Ron Rich]

Hi John,
Glad that's done !! Yes the Stamann's are, super nice people ! -- well, I'm not too sure about Oliver , but I do know about Hildegard--super nice lady, and member of this forum. Ron Rich

[Hildegard]

Thank you Ron.

Hildegard

P.S. So is Oliver a nice guy .... Sure he is - he's married with me!