SS160 Lights, Pop Meter, Album holder motor

[strosk]

Good day all... While I'm waiting for parts and info to fix other issues, I thought I'd supply a list of my outstanding smaller issues.  I'd appreciate any advice.

1) Selection playing lights used to work, now they don't.  Confirmed the bulbs are good.

2) Popularity Meter doesn't advance, I'm assuming since the actuator seems to be part of the same assembly as the selection playing lights, possibly same issue?

3) The "Select Any Single" light doesn't work.  The Select Album light works, but not the Select Single.  Confirmed the bulb is good.

4) The motor that turns the album display up top works, but is noisy.  Not sure there's any way to correct this other than a new motor, but worth a shot to check.

[robnyc]

Here are simplified schematics:

Mechanism: www.flickr.com/photos/90641375@N06/38926493070/ As you can see here, both annunciator lights and pop meter solenoid get their 24Volts AC from the same source. Look for the presence of that at each item with respect to chassis ground. If voltage is there, look for the small leaf switch at the left side of the tonearm cradle assembly. For pop meter, look at the vertical stack of contacts. Toward the middle there are two long blades with a shorter one in the middle. These are the pop meter contacts. With power off, check for pitting and clean with either contact cleaner or alcohol applied to a business card or other stiff paper.

Credit lights: www.flickr.com/photos/90641375@N06/26470639927/

Control Center: www.flickr.com/photos/90641375@N06/36077505831/

Have both control unit, amplifier and speed unit been at least recapped-? At 52 years this is overdue.

These are from original training data dated August 1966. Ron will know of any pertinent revisions.

RobNYC

[strosk]

Thank you Rob! I will look these over and test for 24VAC. I cleaned all the contacts with Detoxit D5, first running strips of a business card through them to get the majority of junk off, then following up with a contact burnishing tool. I wouldn't ever claim they're 100% clean, but considering all these lights worked a couple weeks ago, I'd like to think its not due to dirty contacts now.  I should specify, the selection playing and popularity meter was working.  I've never seen the Select Any Single Light work.

In looking at your schematic for the credit lights, I see there's reference to credit wheel in the pricing unit?  I need to mention, when I got the jukebox, it was configured for free play, by what appeared to be removal of parts in the pricing unit.  Due to the hum and fire danger from the latchbar solenoid, I just recently purchased an aftermarket plug and play pricing unit that protects from fire hazard and allows me to select free play or coin play.  Before that change, I never saw either credit light come on.  After installing that unit, I only see the album credit.  Perhaps I need to contact the company I purchased that unit from?

I shipped all three units out for recap and any other repair needed 2 years ago.

[strosk]

I received word back from the company I purchased the aftermarket pricing unit from. I'll consider the issue of the "Select Any Single" bulb not illuminating as resolved.

The new unit is a "Single Pricing Unit" only. Here is the information on the Album and select lights:

Note regarding the “Select Any Single” and the “OR Select Any LP Album” indicator lights:
Due to the direct connection of the “Select Any Single” lamp to the Latch Solenoid, this light follows the activation of the solenoid. The “Select Any LP Album” light is controlled by the new pricing unit.
There are 3 options:
1-Remove the “Singles” bulb. The “Album” light will indicate credit.
2-Do a wiring change at the lamp sockets to make the “Singles” lamp illuminate when credits are available or in Free Play mode. This would involve swapping the wires.
3-Use the machine as is.

[Ron Rich]

Your supplier is some-what, correct--that single lamp circuit is VERY simple. This circuit has absolutely NOTHING  to do, with ANY pricing unit ! See the TES schematic in your service manual, and the info in your I&O Manual, on pricing. HOWEVER, he is wrong in saying that a UDPU-5, or -5D, is a "single pricing unit only". You might inform him, that if that were true, it would be a "USPU" not a "UDPU", as that "D" stands for "Dual (pricing)" Ron Rich

[strosk]

Ron,

This is not a Seeburg pricing unit. This an aftermarket free play/coin play unit that someone is making nowadays to as "resolution" to original units that have been rigged for free play and having buzzing latch bar solenoid.

[Ron Rich]

OK--then, that lamp should light as any button on the TES, is being pushed down. What I would do, is to remove and swap the two "lamp driver" pins in the plug, or swap the wires at the lamp sockets, if concerned. ( remember one thing--when left on "all the time", this lamp will need to be changed more often) (PS, I think products designed by that company are great--I stock some and am an authorized re-seller of them). Ron Rich

[strosk]

I think, by their reply, they have designed the unit in such a way that its not supposed to have power on the circuit that lights the Single lamp. I won't try to understand how they're doing what they do, but it sure is nice to not have the latch bar solenoid energized, humming or getting hot. So, I may just leave it the way it is. I have plenty of other things issues to fix.

[Ron Rich]

Don't know why you can't understand that --didja look at the schematic in the Service manual ? Ron Rich

[strosk]

Ron... I'm not too concerned as of yet, now that I know the new pricing unit doesn't power that bulb the way it is. I may swap the leads in the future.

[strosk]

RobNYC... Thank you for the schematics and advice on contacts. As I was testing for 24VAC (had nothing at bulbs), I kinda traced back and it appeared wires lead to a fuse. I figured I should test there as well. The original fuse had been replaced with a fuse holder before I acquired the jukebox, so i was having a hard time getting to a good metal contact. As I manipulated the fuse holder, boom, the left side light came on! Must have been a bad connection there. After the light came on, i tested playing a right side record, but the left side (top) bulb stayed on. I looked at the contacts on bottom left of the mech and found that they were pretty far out of adjustment. After i studied them and understood the mechanics of how they were supposed to work it was pretty easy to remove them from the mech and adjust. The popularity meter is also advancing now. Scratch a couple things off the list!!

[henry]

Did you ever replace the motor that turns the display? I need a new motor and having problems locating one.
Thanks,
Henry

[strosk]

Like you, I wasn't able to find one. When ordering some parts yesterday, I was told there's a guy in Wisconsin that's working on a new aftermarket motor. He said he's got over a hundred backorders ready for it.

[Ron Rich]

Hi Henry,
Did you try looking in the fourm's FAQ's section ?
If not there, did you post it in our "wanted" section ?
After writing all that, I guess I should tell you--I got-em -NOS!
Contact me, if you wish -- [e-mail]
Ron Rich

[henry]

Hi Ron,
Email sent to you.
Thanks,
Henry