seeburg 201 ES/play issue

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
Cool--now that you broke something in, go back and oil it again, so it don't un-broke( or, due dat beez, broke out ?) ! Iffin it picked up all with the batt. test--don't that tell you, something ?? Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron,

deffinetly gonna oil it all again. for the battery test, it did maybe 5 cycles and then stuck on one and started playing, I did a reject and it moved to the next and played that, I rejected again and it continued this so I canceled the battery cycle (unplug rca and let it scan out to rest, reinsert rca). should I let it go through all 200?! I got excited when it started playing so I canceled it. anyway you mentioned the battery test is kinda of going in on the backside; so if this all proves correct, would this mean my incorrect selection issue would be in the "write in" circuit I believe? such as something wrong in the ES possibly where i'm entering the selection, between there and where it's taking the selection in the tormat unit?

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
Be less "excited", and re-read and do what it says --lol Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron

sounds good. well get back over there and pull all the records out to save time, do the battery test, and watch it to verify all 200 selections, hopefully it does so, will report back.

[vipertblck]

ron,

if I leave some records in to let it play during the battery test and I manually cancel them by pushing the red button beside the power switch; will the test still be valid?

kevin

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
RE-RE-READ what waz wrote--!! Removing, or allowing records to "play", is not applicable !
Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron

per your written description found here. jukeboxaddicts.proboards.com/thread/755/battery-trick

states to remove rca plug, touch batt- to groung and tip of rca plug to the batt+. reinsert plug and make selection to begin scan.

i'm having trouble finding if records should be in or out of machine, if correctly working will it pickup the record/selection and reinsert right away or play a record if one if present, if a record IS present should I let it play out or trip it by the red cancel switch beside the power toggle? hence why I asked here? " If the read-out/ sense are OK, it will pick up EVERY selection on that phono--allow it to do so, for a proper RO test !" pick up EVERY selection, and return it whether a record is there or not?

need some clarification to do this 200 select test correctly.

kevin

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
The "selection system" knows not if there is a record in a slot, or not--and probably does not care ! That post also says you can hold the detent lever-- do as suggested there, to "save time" Do you have a copy of my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide" ? If so, read it --If not, and you wish to purchase it, contact me off forum at: [e-mail] Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ohhhhhhh, ok I gotcha. may have something else going on then. as I stated last night when I did the batt test, it did so on empty slots and went down the line, then it got a slot that had a record and picked it up and played, hence it finally working, I canceled it and it went right to the next slot and played that record. should it not be picking them up like this and playing them when performing the battery test, from what i'm understanding?

will be out by the box in a few hours so we'll see what happens then. again; leaving whatever records are in the magazine; pull RCA plug and touch it to a batt+ that is grounded to frame. put in a quarter and make a selection, mechanism will begin scanning and pickup every selection, record or not.

kevin

[vipertblck]

ron,

getting ready to head out to the juke now. one question, maybe dumb. is this "detent release lever", also known as the trip lever per the seeburg manual; in the mechanism ?

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
Dono--what manual are you looking at--I assume so--but ?? Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

well; box is finished. came out last night to do as you suggested and everything seemed ok. re-oiled the mech., wiped down the tormat connections on the underside with paper towel and contact cleaner, and blew out the ES with a bit of compressed air. aside from a minor, one-time traffic in the coin mech, it's all oiled up and firing on every selection. only thing left to do now is go through the mechanism adjustments for the needle and arm as sometimes it starts too far in the record, and minor issues like that. one last concern on this topic; box has a 345-035 cart. in it; what should the needle pressure be with this cart; whatever the book specifies for that "adjustment" section?

thanks again
kevin

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
Glad it's running -- What did you find to be the cause of your problem ?
There is NO "pressure adjustment" for the 345 cart. ! The pressure adjustment is for the type of needle installed ! READ, the above "sticky" on Seeburg/Pickering needles. Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron,

don't laugh. got the box working and playing the night prior, came out the following day (yesterday) and cleaned up the contacts on the tormat, and blew air in the ES. and it's good as new..that's it! i'll look into the needles in that cart and make sure the pressure is where it should be. my dad had that guy outa Georgia, bill bickers, build the amp and put bigger transformers and whatnot in it to "juice it up" and matched it with the 345 cart. that's in it. it deffinetly makes some noise!!! but this was 10+ years ago he did all this; so I figured it wouldn't hurt to make sure the pressure is still correctly set.

thanks again
kevin

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
The output transformer has no relationship to what ever cartridge is installed ! Also--99.9 % of "adjustments" do not change themselves, Only "wear point" adjustments need be checked, once they have been correctly set--which in the case of stylus pressure, REQUIRES, a good gauge. ( IN other words--iffin you are not 250% SURE--don't go "adjustin' nothin'" !!) Ron Rich