Seeburg 222 mechanism won't stop

[xavierz66]

I'm new here...I have a Seeburg 222 mechanism won't stop going from left to right it is not on service mode or scan. I can't figure it out. I checked out the trouble shooting guide and I could not solutions. I was told it's likely the tormat or a fuse. Any ideas help please ! Thank you

[robnyc]

Xavier, first off, you have to be more specific about the symptom. Does the mech just keep going back and forth and never stop? Or, does it start when a selection is made but just scan two times and come to a stop w/out playing?

These are two distinctly different problems.

Rob-NYC

[Ron Rich]

Hi Xavier.
As Rob noted above--we can not see what's happening therefore, if symptoms are not specific, multiple IN-correct answere are possible--
A couple of questions more--
1 Have you owned this phono for awhile, or did you just acquire it ?
2. Has it been move to another location, without proper shipping procedures being followed ?
Ron Rich

[xavierz66]

Ok sorry guys. I've owned the juke for about 4 years, it's at home in my den. It's was last serviced about a year ago. I turn it on and play it 4 days a week. It's really never had any major issues . I have a good tech but he's having health issues. This morning I turned it selected a few songs. It played the correct selected songs, after it played all the songs it ( the mechanism ) continued the shuffle left to right with out selected any further records. I open up the juke and tried to stop it with the service switch and button but it did not work. I then turned off the juke. I also noticed there was a slight burnt smell but could not pin point it. If I turn on the juke it continues to go left to right and will not stop.

[robnyc]

Xavier, from your description it appears that either the scan assembly has contacts that have welded together, oo the credit unit has a problem.

Remove the back cover plate. When looking at the two chassis from the rear the one at the right is the "selection receiver". that one controls all mech and selection functions. look at the two coils as shown in this pic: s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-NYC/media/Seeb%20TSR_zpss5qcoprr.jpg.html?sort=2&o=121 The higher coil add scan passes and the lower one subtracts them. The contacts in the middle are what start the mech and amplifier (the chassis on the left). Most likely those contacts are still together. If so, check to see if the white plastic cam is still pressing them together or if they are simply welded with no external pressure.


If the white (Nylon) cam is still holding them, make sure the machine is unplugged, then carefully lift the lower solenoid armature, that is the metal cylinder in the center of the coil, upwards so that the ratchet that presses the two contacts together releases them. You'll probably need to lift the armature twice. The contacts should open.

Power up the machine. It should not start scanning till a selection is made. If it does start scanning you'll see the upper solenoid is pulled in (upwards here) and remaining energized, This indicates a problem in the credit unit. If so, we'll need to know what type of credit unit the machine has:

Most likely your machine has a "Dual Pricing Unit": www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/seeburg-jukebox-dpu-1-pricing-unit.

Let us know.

Rob-NYC

[Ron Rich]

Hi Xavier,
On Rob's photo, I am not sure, but it appears the portion of the nylon "pusher" that contacts the mobile switch blade has been HOT. Look at your unit--examine the contacts, if "welded together" they will need to be "serviced" as noted in the FAQ section of this forum. One of the reasons they can weld together--burn, and/or pit, is the .01/1400kv cap that should be attached to them ( on most models) has either fallen off, or has a broken lead. The nylon pusher, if melted too much will need to be replaced. If slightly melted, you can compensate for this problem by careful adjustment of the contact blades--correct blade adjustment was "forgotten" in most manuals, but is just common sense. The blade adjustment MUST be made so that on the 2nd time the sub coil is energized, the contacts STAY closed, until the plunger is released ! ( the mechanism MUST pass the end slot on right of the record rack, and then open that switch ( looking at it with the tone arm on your left--motor on your right) Ron Rich

[xavierz66]

Ok guys so the contacts in the tormat went out . I had them replaced and now everything works fine. I ended up taking it to Warren Rowe from CW Rowe jukebox sales out of El Monte , California. He also tuned it up and did a complete go thru. The jukebox is working outstanding! The best it's ran since I've owned it. Repair cost were very reasonable.Thanks for the help guys.

[Ron Rich]

Hi Xavier,
Glad it's working ! Glad you took it to Warren--he's a cool dude ! But I think you may have miss-understood him--ain't NO "contacts", in any "Tormat". Just guessing, it sounds like your problem was caused by a missing .01 x 14 kv cap, that has a bad habit of falling off the motor control contacts in the Tormat Selection Unit (or "Receiver", in some models). Thanks for posting this ! Ron Rich