Seebury AY160 selector buttons do nothing.

[artisticwoods]

Hi,
  I'm new to this forum and I'm just getting into Jukeboxes.  I purchased a Seeburg AY160 yesterday and was told it worked but just needed a couple of fuses.  I have a feeling it needs more than that.  I just have started tinkering with it, and there are a couple of switches in the front (on the left). I am assuming they are test switches for the technician. One is a black slide switch and when I push it to the right I can hear an audible thumping/clicking sound, as if a solenoid is connecting or something else mechanical is occurring.  When I let it fall back it makes the same thumping/click sound.  The machine does nothing.  There is also a toggle switch, a 2 pos'n/pole switch that when moved to the right doesn't seem to do anything but when I move it left, it causes the entire play/selector mechanism to smoothly move from the right side to the left and then it moves from the left to the right.  It does this movement twice. 

I take it that is a good sign that at least the mechanism isn't jammed up, but the pushbuttons do nothing.  I can make a selection and the letter and number button will stay in the down pos'n but nothing moves on the machine.  It lights up nicely though!!  Are there any fuses that could be looked at, just to make sure it isn't something simple?  I am a novice with Jukeboxes but I want to get this one running and keep it in my living room.  Its a very neat looking machine. Any help is appreciated, until I am able to purchase a technical manual on this machine. 

BTW, what would be a good manual to buy?  Are there original manuals available or aftermarket ones that are better?  I have not looked at all as of yet.  Is there one that is specific for this model?  Thanks very much, 


Richard  Colorado Springs, Colorado.  

[Ron Rich]

Hi Richard,
OK--Please read our FAQ's for a listing of people that sell the manuals (and other answers to questions you will have !)--I would advise you order the "package"--
You have an AY 160-- WHAT ?? (there should be other ID marks on the ID tag)--this info is needed to diagnose your keyboard problems.
The two switches on the left are the "service switch assembly". The "bat handle switch" has 3 positions--- Right most is "Play", center is "OFF" *, Left is "scan start" And "Add Credit" * *Slide switch activates the scan stop, IF, bat handle is in center position and slide switch is slud, twice If bat handle is held to the left and slide switch is slud (yea--one of my fav-or-rite words !), it adds credits.
FUSES--IMHO, not enough were used in that series phono--also depends on the answer to the "WHAT" question. Check that the TSU fuse is no more then a 5 amp, fast blow fuse !!! Ron Rich

[artisticwoods]

Hi,
  Thank you So much.  I'm going to go and play around with it for a little bit.  I will see what happens.  I appreciate the info.

Richard Colorado Springs

[artisticwoods]

Hi again,
   I just looked at it and the identification plate says it is a AY160UH.  The H looks to be engraved while the rest of it is Printed.  The serial number is 241124.  

  It did do precisely what you indicated it would do.  I moved that service switch to the right as you indicated it but nothing played, so I'm wondering if I do get this running, do I need to keep that bat handle switch to the right when I want to play the machine?  The front of mine has no decals in the area where the coin op is located so I can't tell if it has a credit or not.  I did hold the bat handle to the left and I "slud" the slide switch to the right (LOL).  It made the clicking sound each time I did that.  I can't tell though if it added credits.  I did close the lid and I pushed the buttons in.  They stayed down but the mechanism didn't move or grab a record.  

  I'm hoping it is something easy to fix it, but right now I am totally ignorant about the machine.  You've already given me some information to ponder.  Do you have a book yourself on these that you sell?  I'm interested in learning all about this.  It really should be fun.  Thanks again,

Richard 

[Ron Rich]

Hi Richard,
You have a "Y-U" model--this indicates that it is equipped with a Universal Single Pricing Unit ( USPU-1). This unit has two fuses inside the cover. One should be a 1.6 amp slow blow, the other a 1/2 amp slow blow. If the buttons are "locking" you have established credits, which should be indicated by a (#55) lamp on the right of the keyboard lighting the yellow colored glass ("Make -selection") Perhaps the lamp is burned out ?
The keys "locking down" could indicate the 1.6 amp fuse has blown--If so one must trouble shoot and fix the problem prior to going any further.
Yes--I have written two guides--the first was a trouble shooting guide for MicroLog Seeburg models-- about 10 years later then the Y series-- the other one is a "Mechanism Guide" which as stated covers the Seeburg mechanism itself--a little of the electronics for you model is covered, but not in detail. If you wish to purchase it contact me at : [e-mail] Ron Rich

[artisticwoods]

Thank you very much Ron. I opened the back of the unit and being a completely ignorant novice, I looked at the coin acceptor/rejector area and it is completely missing. The entire acceptor/rejector box above the coin holder is gone! I can only assume that the previous owner from whom I purchased it, had it setup for automatic play. There must be some sort of bypass connector to make it work without coins. I tried to call them and they were not home. I'm going to try and get some information from them tomorrow just to verify that it was setup for free play. They are in their '80s and they indicated that it previously worked fine.

They did tell me that a technician came out and told them it needed a couple of fuses. I located the USPS-1 box which is mounted right off to the side of the amp on the back door. I took the cover off and before I mess with it, I will unplug the Jukebox from the line voltage outlet. I ohmed out the fuses and the 1.6 is blown. I did notice that the 12 pin connector on top of the USPS-1 unit is not plugged in. It is just sitting on top of that unit. The cable leading from that connector appears to go up into the test switch area.

I guess the technician left it off. Hopefully I can get it up and running tomorrow.

I do have one more question if you don't mind. If I can locate a coin acceptor/rejector box, would I be able to make this operate on coins, if everything else is intact? I assume I can just find the bypass connector and then install it whereever the connector goes.

I'll try to get a 1.6 ohm fuse somewhere tomorrow. i"m a complete idiot when it comes to Jukeboxes as I don't know them at all. If I do get it going I'll let you know and I'll post some photos.

I will be purchasing some manuals for this as well as your book. Thanks for the help. Its nice to speak w/someone who knows what they are doing.

Have a good night!

Richard - Colorado.

[Ron Rich]

Hi Richard,
Good Morning --
I did not write a "book"--I ain't schmart enuff to do that --I did however write a "Seeburg Mechanism Guide" -- You can purchase it directly from me, if you like, by contacting me at : [e-mail]
I's confuzzed--I don't understand what's been done to that phono--The keys on the keyboard should not lock down with that 12 pin connector on top of the USPU, un-plugged ? BTW--L@k at that plug carefully--the index key in the center has a nasty habit of "dis-appearing" ! Ron Rich

[artisticwoods]

Good Morning Ron.

My mistake. I didn't even stop to think logically. Those keys would never lockdown w/o the solenoid engaged, and it can only engage if the 12 pin connector is supplying power to it. DUH! Man, sometimes I write stupid things. I just disengaged the connector and with power on, they don't lock down. I must have knocked it loose when I removed the cover for the USPU-1 unit.

I talked to the lady I purchased it from and her recollection is that they never put money in it to get it playing. I'd like to convert it back if I can find the coin acceptor/rejector for this machine. Do you know if the models are interchangeable for the coin acceptor? The DS100 and the Q models? Would you think they are the same? I'll look for one on the internet or here I suppose. I'm pretty danged stupid when it comes to maneuvering around on the various forums, but I'll do a search to see the section that has parts for sale.

I ordered the slow-blow fuse 1.6 amp since the auto parts store here didn't have one, and the last electronics supply house shut down about 6 months ago. No more Radio Shack either. Bummer!

Talk to you again soon. Thanks,

Richard

[Ron Rich]

Hi Richard,
See our FAQ's section for the parts you need--or post a photo, of that area-- I am fairly sure that Bill Butterfield can help you--but you will need to know what, exactly you need before contacting him Look at your parts book when you get it.
On the USPU, I would guess someone "mangled" if so that it can't "subtract" credits, when a selection is made. If the subtract pawl has been removed and you can find it, and the spring, all you need to do is install it. That part is difficult to find--It was used in all "pricing units" made from the USPU-1, on ( the UDPU-4 pawl, had an extension on it--can be "broken off" for use in all other models--MUST be there for use in the -4). The illustration of it, on your cover, or in the parts book, may not agree with the pawl, as originally it was a metal piece. with two posts attached--all Code B, USPU-1's, on up, used a "nylon" pawl. Ron Rich

[artisticwoods]

Hello Ron,
Well I was able to get a slow blow fuse temporarily a 1.5 amp in place of the 1.6 amp I ordered. I turned on the machine and it fired up fine. I made a selection and the carriage moved to the position and I watched it go over and stop in front of the place where the record would be. One thing I noticed that it did not do, was to go all the way across left, then back to the right again and then move back left as I think these are supposed to do.

Instead it just moved left to about the middle and stopped on its position. It did not select a record though. It simply sat there with the platter spinning. I pushed some more buttons, but they would engage and then pop back up.

I thought maybe I could use the bat switch to interrupt the play but when I put it to the middle and pressed the black slide switch 2X, it made the platter stop spinning. I had to slide it twice.

Now though, I moved the bat switch left to see if it would go "home" itself, but it doesn't. All it does is make the platter start spinning again.

The lady who did sell it to me indicated that her technician told her that it needed a couple of fuses. I know you indicated that the TSU fuse, a 5 amp fast blow might be bad but I'm not sure where to find that. I think I read that this selector unit on the front of the machine is called the tormat electrical unit. Is that also the TSU unit (tormat selector unit)?

As I said, I'm a complete dummy right now, operating blindly, but something seems to be missing on the selector unit where it won't pick up the record.

Also the machine carriage will now not move to the right as it did before so I thought well maybe it needs the 1.6 amp fuse out and then I could move the bat switch left and it would "home" itself, but it doesn't want to move anywhere even with that fuse back out of the machine.

I put the fuse back in again, and it tells me on the left side of the buttons "make your selection". Keys still kick back after pushing them but no movement.

It is essentially stuck in the middle with me. LOL

I'm guessing I have another fuse blown somewhere but I don't have a clue where they could be located.

Thanks,

Richard

[Ron Rich]

Richard,
I'm guessing it's doing exactly what you told it to do--
Now tell it to "reject the record" ( that ain't there), and I think it will move on to the next selection you have entered--if no record is in that slot, that's where it will stay till "rejected" -- If you had a copy of my "Mech Guide", and READ it, you would know what it's supposed to do !
Ron Rich