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Post by jakedaniel on Jun 11, 2017 17:49:09 GMT
I have a Q-160 S. No R in the serial number so no stepper from the factory. I purchased a RCSU2, (Remote Control Stepper Unit), Code A and swapped it with the TJU2, (Tormat Junction Unit), Code A that was on the Selection Receiver when I bought the jukebox. RCSU2 has been recapped, resistors checked, good 2050 tube, and a more common fuse holder installed, same value fuse just a more common type. I've got a S-3W 160 wallbox on the way to me. Bought on eBay for $200 bucks. Looks complete from the pics except for a couple of light bulbs that I've already got replacements for around here. I know I'll have to clean it, I'm sure it hasn't been used in decades. Any tips? Any places in these wallboxes or in the stepper that need lube at all? I'm not going to get into it until the wallbox gets here. It's going in the mail on Monday morning so I'm hoping to get it next Friday-Saturday and trying to get it working next weekend. Anyway, here's a link with pics to the wallbox I bought off eBay. What do you guys think? Anything stand out as bad or wrong with it? www.ebay.com/itm/371967459874?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITPS, I don't know why it shows that it sold for $400 bucks. I offered $200 plus shipping, they accepted, and I paid. I think that's a halfway decent price for one, at least from looking at what similar ones have sold for on eBay. |
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 12, 2017 20:15:51 GMT
Hi Jake,
You, IMHO did NOT get a halfway decent price---you STOLE it ! That being said, a 160, or, 200 select WOM will never work with a 100 system as the numbering is not the same. Numbering strips, designed for the 3W-1 series are available and must be placed on that WOM.
Steppers need 20 wt. oil in the step-up wheel bearings, all "pivot points" in the stepper need a very small amount of the same oiland the (release)Dog operating)link(arm). NO "lubrication" anywhere near the contact points. Ron Rich
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Post by jakedaniel on Jun 13, 2017 2:15:50 GMT
Hi Jake, You, IMHO did NOT get a halfway decent price---you STOLE it ! That being said, a 160, or, 200 select WOM will never work with a 100 system as the numbering is not the same. Numbering strips, designed for the 3W-1 series are available and must be placed on that WOM. Steppers need 20 wt. oil in the step-up wheel bearings, all "pivot points" in the stepper need a very small amount of the same oiland the (release)Dog operating)link(arm). NO "lubrication" anywhere near the contact points. Ron Rich I've got a 160 selection jukebox, (Q 160 S), and a 160 selection wallbox so I'm fine there. I'll lubricate the stepper exactly where and how you say. Should be here by this weekend and I'm hoping to hook it up this weekend and see if I can get it working. Thanks for the advice! |
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 13, 2017 2:38:00 GMT
Hi Jake,
Time for new glasses---got a post card today from the optometrist saying that ! Ron Rich
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Post by jakedaniel on Jun 15, 2017 21:29:44 GMT
Do you know where I can get a few feet of wire to wire this wallbox up? It's got a foot or so sticking out of it but it would've nice to have this wired up more than a foot away from the jukebox. I could just use 3 strands of wire I guess but I'd rather use the same kind of 3 wire cable that's sticking out of the wallbox right now. Anyone know the exact name of what I'm looking for so I can order it or maybe someone has a few feet laying around they could sell? Let me know if you've got anything. Thanks!
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 15, 2017 23:01:44 GMT
Check the FAQ's posted above--almost always available !
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Post by eric1959 on Jun 16, 2017 7:00:43 GMT
I got my 3W1 box working recently. I went to my local Electronics Warehouse and got 50 feet of 18Ga 4 wire cable to hook it up, (they only had two wire or four wire cable so four it is, it's still very thin and flexible).
If you don't have an Electronics store you could buy a cheap three wire Extension Cord from Harbor Freight, if you don't mind Orange.
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Post by Ron Rich on Jun 16, 2017 13:46:10 GMT
Eric,
That should be OK--specs., are : 16 Ga. for the power, 18 for signal ( this is for up to 100 feet, up to a max of 6, WOM's) Ron Rich
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Post by jakedaniel on Jun 16, 2017 23:04:12 GMT
Cleaned it up, connected it, and the transformer on the selection receiver started getting VERY hot. I shut it off quick, disconnected the wallbox, turned it back on and the transformer started getting way too hot again. Unplugged the stepper from the selection receiver and everything is working fine. All I can guess is the stepper has a short in it somewhere. I'll keep you guys updated. Good news is the wallbox cleaned up great. Complete except for a couple of bulbs and the page springs are broken.
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Post by jakedaniel on Jun 16, 2017 23:06:10 GMT
I got my 3W1 box working recently. I went to my local Electronics Warehouse and got 50 feet of 18Ga 4 wire cable to hook it up, (they only had two wire or four wire cable so four it is, it's still very thin and flexible). If you don't have an Electronics store you could buy a cheap three wire Extension Cord from Harbor Freight, if you don't mind Orange. Either of those will work fine. I'm going to hang the wallbox in my living room and run the cable to the jukebox behind the trim so no one will see it anyway. |
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Post by robnyc on Jun 17, 2017 9:23:47 GMT
Cleaned it up, connected it, and the transformer on the selection receiver started getting VERY hot. I shut it off quick, disconnected the wallbox, turned it back on and the transformer started getting way too hot again. Unplugged the stepper from the selection receiver and everything is working fine. All I can guess is the stepper has a short in it somewhere. I'll keep you guys updated. Good news is the wallbox cleaned up great. Complete except for a couple of bulbs and the page springs are broken. Jake, I do hope that no damage to the 150VAC (2050 plates for trip and stepper) winding has been done. Seeburg switches coils at the ground return. This means that the full voltage is always present in the coil so any short-thru or bobbin-to-core will not be limited by any sort of switch...and, thanks to Seeburg's frugal-fusing these sorts of problems easily become catastrophic. -The first step is to check the stepper coils for shorts. Steppers of this vintage used 750 ohm stepper coils. Trace the leads out and measure across each coil and to both the frame ground as well as the (usually black) lead that connects the stepper assembly to mainframe ground. -Do the same for all the low voltage DC relays and the hold magnet coil. The DC resistance is usually printed on the tape around the coil. -The large capacitor in the 2050 plate circuit will have to be replaced. I've always used mylar caps though most people buy new oil caps for this position. You can see them in this pic: photobucket.com/gallery/user/Rob-NYC/media/bWVkaWFJZDoxMjczOTIyMTU=/?ref=1 -I hope it is still visible. Photobucket has f-ed up the display formatting recently...got to get more ad's in..of course. I've made it a 30 year practice to fuse everything that comes out of the main tran. This winding gets a 1/2 amp-slo. If/when you feel that you've solved the problem, I'd still advise you to remove all plugs from the selection receiver and separate it from the amp. Then power it up with a 25-40 watt bulb in series with the mains to limit current. The old transformer should not be subject to a lot of over-current events. Rob/NYC |
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Post by jakedaniel on Jun 17, 2017 12:09:48 GMT
I'll take your advice for sure once I dig into it. I've got to get a weekend free of wife and kids to focus all my attention on it so it'll be a little while, hahaha! I took the cover off the door so I could see the front and back of the stepper and selection receiver while I was hooking up this wallbox and powering it up and I didn't see anything melted or burned so hopefully nothing was too badly damaged. I'm also really happy that the selection receiver transformer wasn't trashed, I hate it when the jukebox is broke down! Thanks and I'll let everyone on here know how it goes when I dig into it. Cleaned it up, connected it, and the transformer on the selection receiver started getting VERY hot. I shut it off quick, disconnected the wallbox, turned it back on and the transformer started getting way too hot again. Unplugged the stepper from the selection receiver and everything is working fine. All I can guess is the stepper has a short in it somewhere. I'll keep you guys updated. Good news is the wallbox cleaned up great. Complete except for a couple of bulbs and the page springs are broken. Jake, I do hope that no damage to the 150VAC (2050 plates for trip and stepper) winding has been done. Seeburg switches coils at the ground return. This means that the full voltage is always present in the coil so any short-thru or bobbin-to-core will not be limited by any sort of switch...and, thanks to Seeburg's frugal-fusing these sorts of problems easily become catastrophic. -The first step is to check the stepper coils for shorts. Steppers of this vintage used 750 ohm stepper coils. Trace the leads out and measure across each coil and to both the frame ground as well as the (usually black) lead that connects the stepper assembly to mainframe ground. -Do the same for all the low voltage DC relays and the hold magnet coil. The DC resistance is usually printed on the tape around the coil. -The large capacitor in the 2050 plate circuit will have to be replaced. I've always used mylar caps though most people buy new oil caps for this position. You can see them in this pic: photobucket.com/gallery/user/Rob-NYC/media/bWVkaWFJZDoxMjczOTIyMTU=/?ref=1 -I hope it is still visible. Photobucket has f-ed up the display formatting recently...got to get more ad's in..of course. I've made it a 30 year practice to fuse everything that comes out of the main tran. This winding gets a 1/2 amp-slo. If/when you feel that you've solved the problem, I'd still advise you to remove all plugs from the selection receiver and separate it from the amp. Then power it up with a 25-40 watt bulb in series with the mains to limit current. The old transformer should not be subject to a lot of over-current events. Rob/NYC |
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