2610 Issues

[dan2610]

Just cleaned up a 2610 I got, that was full of sawdust.  Now it has been cleaned and lubed I have some issues that I cannot resolve and hoping one of you have ideas.

Here is what works.  Amp, neon bulbs, record motor.

Here are the issues:  1.  The record motor turns from the moment the unit is powered on to when it is powered off.  The only way to stop it is to pull the Rev. Switch plug located on the right side (if viewing from the back) of the selector pin box.  None of the pins when manually pushed down do anything, nothing turns from the record carrousel.  All fuses have been checked and are good.  I can manually place a record in the carrousel and position it over the right lifting arm and when the amp cancel button is held it will lift the record, grab it, move the play arm into position and play it.  But that's it...the whole enchilada!


I have gone through the schematic, pushed contacts, etc and nothing.  Ask me questions and I will try to answer.  And thank you all in advance!


Dan  

[Ron Rich]

Hi Dan,
Just guessing here--
How didja "clean up" that unit-- did you clean all of the contacts on the mute and transfer switches-- did you verify that no contact has any remnants of "saw dust" left in it and that the switches are, in fact making contact ? ( see our FAQ's section on "contacts")
Ron Rich

[dan2610]

I recall running a business card between them just to clean of lose crude but now I have a contact burnishing tool and will give that a wing. QUESTION: when pushing the cancel button on the Amp, are you required to hold it or just push and release? I have to hold mine and if I do not release it the unit cycles back and starts playing the records. Seems odd, not the way I would expect it to operate. Thanks

Dan

[Ron Rich]

Hi Dan,
Didja READ the FAQ's, section on "contacts" & switches ? YES--on WurliTzers, one must hold the cancel button for a few seconds--not the full time, but long enough for the transfer switch to "flip"-- Ron Rich

[dan2610]

All contacts clean with a burnish tool.  When I select a record the pins now pop up and the arm rotates.  But when it arrives at the pin it forces itself over it (nearly bending the pin) and continues on.  So l located the micro switch under the arm that is suppose to register when the pin is touched by the arm and I assume stop the arm.  I check the switch and when pressed it is showing closed and open when not pressed.  So now I am seriously looking at the contact plate on top of the selector box and how it connects by two contacts at the bottom of the shaft.  But here is the problem, I cannot determine if those contacts are touching their correct contact plate circle. No room to move.  I have checked the schematic and do not see any ideas short of dropping the selector box, and jerry-rigging two wires to be jumped between the two contacts.  I suspect I might have bent them the very first time I removed the selector box and slid it out.  (I was a newbee back then...5 months ago!). Any creative ideas out there?

[Ron Rich]

Dan,
You can not "clean" contacts with a Burnishing tool-- only "burnish" them ! Did you carefully check the operation o that switch wit an Analog meter as shown in our FAQ's section ? If so, and it's good-- follow the schematic-- that contact ring goes somewhere-- Ron Rich

[juker2108]

Maybe the override solenoid inside the amp is sticking?

[juker2108]

Or one or more of the override switches inside the selector unit isn't releasing?

[Ron Rich]

"--Override solenoid inside the amp--" ? No "solenoids" of any kind, are in this amp ? "--override switches inside the selector unit---" ? These remain closed until the last pin in that segment is "pushed down" ? Please read the Hi Newbies post" in our FAQs section. Ron Rich

[juker2108]

Within the inside the amp housing is the override relay. It us between the amp circuit board and the side of the unit. It is not part if the amplification circuit. It shows up in the manual on the page showing the amplifier but isn't labeled and described on page 23 but not referenced in a diagram. When the jukebox is powered on this relay must energize and close the contacts for the pins on the selector unit to operate. I found this out after lots of diagnosing.

[Ron Rich]

Yes-- If called the "over-ride relay" in that parts list, I erred -sorry--- that relay is activated by either the "over-ride switches" on the ES, or the carry-over section of the mute-play, or transfer switch-- I don't recall which one at the moment. I believe I have seen other model WurliTzer doc's calling it a "mute-play" relay ? Ron Rich

[dan2610]

Sorry guys but not finding what you describe as as an override relay, and definitely not in the amp. The Electric Selector (ES) has an “override switch” shown on page 55 item 3 in the trouble shooting manual. When I power up the jukebox that switch is not engaged. When I push on the top bar it engages and nothing happens until I turn off the machine and it pops back to its original position.

[Ron Rich]

It's the only relay inside the amp-- and it's not you problem if the carriage will "search" for a released pin. You can check the contacts on the slip ring with a good meter- one meter lead on the soldered terminal on the "fingers", and the other lead on the soldered terminal of the slip ring. How/ with what, did you check the stopping switch ? Ron Rich

[dan2610]

Issue resolved. No longer a problem. A spring was missing and when install all worked again. I have to thank my repair guy Chris London for his excellent work. Now on to the next issue!

[jukeboxmarty]

Glad you got your issue resolved.

Hopefully it won't take so long to get your next issue resolved!