Removing the mechanism from a KD200

[flicker177]

Hello all,

I’m still cautiously trying to remove the mechanism from a friend’s KD200 jukebox to clean and lube it. This has been extremely frustrating. Ron Rich’s mechanism guide has lots of great detail on the mechanism itself but is very short on info regarding its removal. He says to refer to the I&O manual for the KD200 for the procedure. I’d love to but that’s been hard to find. Victory Glass lists it and I’d love to buy a copy but they’re shut down for Summer vacation and even though the manual sells for $27.50, they now require a $50 minimum order. I guess I could wait, then buy 2 copies and try to sell the spare but that seems messy. I simply can’t find a copy anywhere else after a *lot* of searching. We already have Ron’s mechanism guide and the AMR published service manual; we’re only missing the I&O manual. I’m a little intimidated, I don’t want to just start guessing and taking things apart. I’m more comfortable with electronics than mechanics ;-)

I know about the 2 pins that hold the mechanism to the runners but I really can’t see them. Perhaps I need to remove some cabinet pieces? Ron mentioned removing the title drum because its in the way but it looks like I have to take some other stuff apart to do that. Its not obvious to me.

If anyone knows of another source for the I&O manual that would be most helpful. Otherwise, has anyone removed the mechanism from one of these and if so would you be willing to do a short description of the process? I think if we once get the mechanism out, Ron’s manual will be all we need to get it cleaned and lubed.

Thanks much in advance for any help.

--Bill Thompson

flicker177

Rochester, NY USA

[Ron Rich]

Hi Bill,
That's egg-zact-lee why I tell peoples to purchase a manual from a legit seller ! They usually sell a package, which should include the I & O manual Did you try "AlwaysJukin'" ?
Thanks for buying the mech guide-- I could not have explained the slight differences between mechs, -- that guide would have been 200 pages long !
Been awhile since I removed a mech from a K, but going from my great, just not too long memory---
You, must of course, un-plug all plugs-- open the rear door and free up the TMU cables--
In the front-- Remove the "200 selections" light bar--remove the drum-- look under the chassis for the two retaining pins--pop them out, and slide the mech to you-- carefully-- Good luck-- Ron Rich

[Brian-E]

I was about to post a question about this very same problem here, when I decided to do a search. Glad I did

I spent some long time looking all around at this mech on the carriage track, and I couldn't see any obvious retaining clips/clamps/pins/etc. that could be released in order to detach it.

I too have Ron Rich's Seeburg Mech Manual (2nd edition), which suggests (on page 37) that the mechanism is held in place by two pins. He states "Mostly common sense - All mechs are held in place on slides with two pins - See the I&O Manual for your model."

Well - I regret it isn't all that obvious to me (and I'm not unfamiliar with electro-mechanical devices). I've worked on NSM Mech's before - which are simplicity itself to remove - just release two red levers and the mech lifts off - so perhaps I am lacking in the necessary Common Sense?


I also have the Seeburg 1957 K(D)200 Service Manual (bought from Jukbox Revival), which includes all the advertising literature and the Installation and Operation manual. They assure me that "All our manuals are complete and have all documentation that Seeburg published on that model" - Yet, even there I couldn't find out how to remove the mech.

I'm tempted to suggest that something along the lines of the above post, would have been a great help included in Ron's Manual - but sadly that ship has sailed

I might point out that I don't actually 'HAVE' to remove the mech, other than the fact that there is a problem with the base of the cabinet (broken inside adjacent to one of the rear castors). So I want to lay it on its back to work on the base (to strengthen it). Last time I tried this (to replace the castors) I had to enlist the help of a local 'Mr Muscles' to help me stand the thing up again!

Perhaps my first mistake was buying the machine?

But that aside, from the info here it looks like it's going to need a complete strip-down anyway, so at least I'll have an almost empty cabinet to lift up again when the time comes

Many Thanks.

[jukenorman]

Maybe the pins weren't put back the last time the mech was removed? That's a 201, the pins are in the same place.


Norman.

[Brian-E]

That seems to be a great help - Thank you very much
Brian E.