Seeburg AY100 SH2 need help

[steve mitchell]

I was just left a Seeburg AY100 from a family friend that past, was told it was working but had been sitting in garage for a few years. It will not pick up a record when selected, it just scans back and forth. Sometimes just twice and others times just keeps going, I have made sure service switch is in play mood  I feel it is something simple being that it was working, I have also noticed that the select buttons do not lock down. For example if you press A it does not lock down (non do) so you have to hold it down the press number at same time.  Not sure if that has something to do with the not picking up records or if a unrelated problem. any help would be appreciated

[Ron Rich]

Hi runu2,
First off--PLEASE sign your posts, please also show your location in your profile, then read our FAQ's section--Most of your questions are answered there !
One that is not, is why you need to hold two buttons down --It's because "someone" has dis-connected the latch bar solenoid--for reasons un-known, but my guess is it was on fire, or just because the coin operation was eliminated, and this "person" feared having a fire. Your two "problems" are not related. Ron Rich

[steve mitchell]

Thank you , I do not know anything about jukeboxes so starting from scratch I will look in FAQ

[steve mitchell]

I don't doubt these questions are out there somewhere but not having any luck finding them any help would be appreciated

Thank you
Steve Mitchell

[robnyc]

Steve, not knowing about these machines is NBD -however, you will need to understand at least basic electronics and have some skills in actual servicing (soldering, using a multimeter,etc).

If you can read a schematic and do some of the above, get a service manual and begin:
www.alwaysjukin.com/items/Service-Manuals/list.htm
www.victoryglass.com/contents.asp?VendorCode=2

If you have electronics skills a schematic along with some advice here, can suffice:http://www.verntisdale.com/Seeburgschem.htm

If you have neither the time nor inclination to deal with this process consider sending the electronic units out for a rebuild -or just selling the machine as-is.

That machine is well past the age where the electronics -must- be properly rebuilt. This is not all that difficult, but there is no safe way to avoid it.

Tinkering is OUT. It will only do damage and possibly injure you as well.

RobNYC

[steve mitchell]

I have a service manual and can do all of he above, I went though the test for this issues. Just short of taking the whole thing apart I was looking for a quick answer on what it may be. I was told it was working a few years back and had just be sitting. checked the tubes and replaced most just to have a good start. if there is not a simple answer out there on why it keeps scanning, I will dig into it and figure it out. I have no issues with rebuilding it from what I have seen but was hoping to get it working and redo pieces over time

Thank you for your help

[Ron Rich]

Hi Steve,
You are not giving us ANY info to answer any questions ! might as well tell me you can't move your car--I come look, and find that all 4 tires have been stolen-- Ron Rich

[steve mitchell]

you drop a coin in and select I record , the carriage does one of two things it scans twice then stops or does not stop scanning at all. i did the from jumper C to memory outlet plug , does not trip i did the A to B jumper does not trip i have replaced most tubes , other seem fine. the 2050 and 12AX7 are new if i hit the service switch and hit the switch twice it stop , not sure where i saw that as something to check but i did it and the carriage did stop . at no time on any of these test has it tripped i am still going though things but this is where i am at this point

[Ron Rich]

OK--did you just move the phono withOUT properly bolting it for shipment ? Do you know where the scan control assembly is ? Do you know where the scan subtract/stop switch is ? Do you know where the read out contacts are ? Ron Rich

[steve mitchell]

I would have to assume it was not bolted properly ? it was delivered to me and I know I did not have to unbolt anything Right off I do not know where the areas you are referring. I will go though the manual and hunt them down , are they listed as you described or maybe called out differently in the manual?

[robnyc]

Steve, the reason Ron (probably) cited the shipping prep is that it is possible for the readout plunger block at rear under the tormat to become damaged if the 4 bolts on the mech are not tightened before moving. This is especially true if moved on its back.

There are two items that tie into your problem located back there. At the rear of the mechanism deck is small ramp -this closes a set of contacts under the mech readout block. These contacts actuate the subtract solenoid on the scan control assembly in the selection receiver. Take off the rear access plate. Look at the upper left area of the selection receiver and you'll see the two solenoids, one for add the other to to subtract. The higher solenoid adds two scan passes each time a selection is made. The lower one subtracts one notch or pass each time it is actuated. The action here will be obvious when you see it.

The failure to trip is another possibly related matter IF either the block or tormat have been shifted by the mech laying on them due to improper prep. the most common mechanical failures here are broken wires connecting the plungers. Worn plungers that don't stay in contact with Tormat rivet contacts. Extremely dirty tormat contacts and --worn and out of adjustment detent switch-- this is on the mech right near the motor.

Your manual should have the simplified schematics for the phases of operation. If not, here they are:
www.flickr.com/photos/90641375@N06/36140664003/ write in
www.flickr.com/photos/90641375@N06/36809447281/ read out
www.flickr.com/photos/90641375@N06/36809435811/ trip

These are for the TSR3 as used in a VL but the differences are minor.

RobNYC

[Ron Rich]

Hi Steve, and Rob,
Rob is 100% correct here ( not too often I can say that ! lol) ! Only one thing to add--- the support arms for the contact block (aka "frog"), can be bent/twisted when the phono is improperly moved. If it's bent, you will need to re-align( bend the CASTING) it VERY, VERY, carefully--heat is suggested ! Ron Rich

[steve mitchell]

Thank you both ,, I will jump on that and see what I find when I get back in town . I do know it was moved standing up so hopefully it is not in to bad of shape. I will let you know what I find, thanks again

Steve