model 100 B electrical selector polishing

[vipertblck]

seen the electrical selector on these model b and c's chrome plated or polished. how difficult is this to remove and have the plate/casting itself, in hand? pulled the assembly and a bit of harness slack out of my box and it looks like everything was screwed onto the plate and assembled that way. appears that if I want to have just the plate part in my hand itself, that a whole maze of screws and whatnot will very carefully have to be removed and not disturbed.

am I correct to assume this isn't just a simple "unscrew the electronics from the plate" type of job?

thanks

kevin

[Ron Rich]

Hi Kevin,
See the parts section of your Service manual. Comes apart very easily, once outta da cabinet--
Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

Oct 25, 2018 2:37:51 GMT Ron Rich said:

Hi Kevin,
See the parts section of your Service manual. Comes apart very easily, once outta da cabinet--
Ron Rich Ron,Thanks.  looking in my service manual from always jukin'; p. 3045 parts list give a better view, which I found this after my post.  the latch bar solenoid looks like it needs a cotter pin pulled and then it'll come off the side, then the center looks like the push button switch assy, and the other side opposite of the latch bar solenoid looks like #34, switch bracket for number and letter.  with all that removed it looks like majority comes off.  when it's apart will I have a bunch of loose parts in hand that I need to pay close attention to?thankskevin

[vipertblck]

well I spoke to soon, dug in and had it apart 30 min after my response to ron rich above. pretty simple. one thing I noticed that allowed adjustment was "letter and number switch bracket". the bottom hole closest to the keys is a through hole, put the screw in and that's all, but the top hole (further inside the juke) is slotted and allows for adjustment on when these snap and leaf switches make contact/release. am I correct so far that these need to be adjusted and or set correctly when being installed again? in my manual stated above, i'm looking on p. 3042 for electrical selector adjustment and it mentions snap action switches and spring leaf switches, about a paragraph about adjustment for each.

am I correct to assume I need to follow that procedure in the book when I go back to install the pieces together?

thanks
kevin

[Ron Rich]

Hi Kevin,
I TRY to follow the advise I was given many moons ago, many times, by many wiser persons then myself-- NEVER "assume" anything. If you are gonna "assume", assume the service manual would not show adjustments, if it were not necessary-- especially if you have had to "mess with them". In so far as most mechanical items, "adjustments" (IMHO), are not necessary, except for "wear points", and when some "Handy Louie" has had fingers in there !! Hint: On that ES, put a drop of graphite based lube. on the ends of the latch bars, where they contact the round disc, controlled via the solenoid. 2nd Hint: Purchase an ELECTRONIC, latch bar saver, and install it (yes--I do sell them). Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron
I'm working on finding the 3-in-one motor oil and I alredy have some lubriplate "grease" (will have to check the exact product when I'm home). bought this lubriplate stuff strictly for my jukebox. I got one of the latch freeplay adapters from vern a while back, works great!

as far as my reassembly, the letter/number switch bracket; I suppose i'll just align the upper slotted screw holes to where they looked to be, and then try it to see if it works! I see the slotted hole, so I automatically think that something has to be set at a measured distance (hence the slot for adjustment).

kevin

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
Do yourself a favor FIRST, READ, our "FAQ's" section--then--Throw that "Lubriplate" stuff, as far as you are able to toss it-- It was NOT recommended by the Seeburg engineering staff ! (See my Seeburg Mechanism Guide--If you wish to purchase a copy, contact me off list @: [e-mail] ) Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron,

per your FAQ section, I see you and craig recommend the 3-in-one motor oil and a graphite based lube. I'm confused a bit now. On p. 2179 of my seeburg manual-the jukebox manufacturer specifies seeburg special purpose oil (which i'm relying on you and craig's posts is sae 20 and 3-in-one motor oil is sufficient), and also says to "use aero lubriplate sparingly". Seeburg says to use lubriplate, folks in the forums say don't. i'm not arguing, just trying to clarify what's what here.

thanks
kevin

[Ron Rich]

Kevin,
Iffin you had a copy of my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", you would know why you are confuzzed ! Didja READ between the lines above--"--Seeburg ENGINEERING--" (not marketing ! ) Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

ron

possibly yes, if I had your manual I may have more clarification. it's just hard for me to veer away from what a manual says, versus what I find/read online. online is GREAT and a wealth of information for young folks like me dealing with these old machines, then again, sounds like seeburgs engineering and marketing staff may have been enemies if they printed and suggested the use of lubriplate, but the engineers frowned on it (perhaps one reason that they are no longer?!)

in terms of this graphite based lube you mentioned; I did a quick amazon search for some but could only find dry lube like the power form we use to use on the pinewood derby cars. do you have a graphite based lube you recommend to use as an alternative to seeburgs lubriplate recommendation?

kevin

[Ron Rich]

Hi Kevin,
Don't blame you for being skeptical--some of the stuff "up there" is PURE hogwash --
Get thee to a good automotive supply store-- they will stock both the proper oil and the grease--
Ron Rich

[vipertblck]

not a particular grease that's recommended, like the sae 20 oil? any graphite based lube, wet or dry; doesn't matter?

[Ron Rich]

Dixon #5, graphite grease, "wet"--is what was used--

[vipertblck]

well got it all back together and just as I though; doesn't work. the "select" lights illuminate and sometime it will take and play. most of the time, you select a letter/number (doesn't matter what order) and they just stay down, instead of taking the selection and popping the buttons back up.

p. 3042 in my manual mentions snap action switches. I BELIEVE these are the switches on the right side of the selector (opposite side of latch bar solenoid), and there's 2, one for letters, one for numbers. as you push the button, it moves these contacts and the switch has a spring on it that allows it to "snap". first guess it the problem lies there and I need to adjust these. these need to "snap" prior to the button engaging in the down position, correct?

[Ron Rich]

Yes sir--adjust them as per the Manual---
Ron Rich