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Post by andylevine on Mar 3, 2017 18:28:45 GMT
I can find plenty of pictures of Bs in all states....painted, refinished, some beautiful and some...well, not as beautiful! But what I haven't been able to find are any pictures of a 100B in ORIGINAL condition. I don't even care if the original condition is beat up. I'm refurbishing one now, have almost finished with zebrawood veneers (ok, so it wont be authentic, I went as close as I could find) and would like some better hints as to what 'original' looked like. I have found a few nice pictures of As in original shape, and wasn't sure if the 2-tone trim on the A was similar to what the artist rendering of the B shows. Any pointers appreciated.
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Post by carl on Mar 17, 2017 18:47:07 GMT
I restored a 100B a few years ago that had an all-original cabinet. See link to photos. Didn't take many photos of the original box though. I was very faithful to the original colors, wood grain angles and directions, etc. I used genuine zebra wood veneer; in the future I would use the composite zebrawood veneer, which has much straighter wood grain patterns, more like the original faux finish. I decided to chrome the selector faceplate and title strip holders, but the originals on the 100B's is the gray, sort of hammer tone finish.
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Post by carl on Mar 17, 2017 19:10:04 GMT
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Post by Ron Rich on Mar 17, 2017 19:30:55 GMT
Carl,
That's real nice--but IMHO, not anything like the DiNoc original. BTW--The B's, BL's, and C's all came with Chrome title strip holders--and at times when chrome was not available, the hammer tone type--Same as many other parts, on those models. Ditto for the 3W-1's. I "tossed out" about 300, 3w-1 covers that had been replaced by the factory as they were painted in hammer-tone--and at least 100 more Chrome plated ones, that were supposed to be used for replacing the hammer tone ones.
As for an "original Photo" of a B, I doubt one ever existed. "Color photography" was not too prevalent in those days--the Flyers for the BBL-C's were all artists renditions. The cabinets varied some what from production run, to production run.
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Post by carl on Mar 17, 2017 20:06:32 GMT
Ron - I agree about the finish. I actually recently got some Zebrawood samples of (still in production ) 3-M Dinoc. It sells under the brand name "Belbien" now. They even offer light and dark versions of Zebrawood if you want the original 2-tone effect. It would look much more like the original. Very expensive in small quantities though. Probably over $350 to do one box. Honestly, in my opinion though, brand new Dinoc will look pretty cheesy on a classic juke.
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Post by andylevine on Mar 18, 2017 11:47:47 GMT
Carl...thats lovely. Very close to what I am doing with mine re: zebrawood veneers. Almost complete on the cabinet. Your work on the bullnosed inner frame bits are great. I tried to bend mine in place with heat, water and clamps and they did all right, but still stressed enough that the edges keep wanting to curl. Ron, it wasnt an 'original picture of a B' I wanted, but a 'picture of an original B'  Semantics, yes, but I had hoped someone had a B that was still in its 'original' shape, DiNoc and all, so I could judged what I am shooting for. There must still be a few out there that someone hasnt stripped and painted. |
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Post by eric1959 on Apr 24, 2017 3:06:39 GMT
Hi, don't know if you're still looking, but I have this image I snagged from eBay or somewhere. I got it because I wanted a reference also. This is how I remember my B looking 50 years ago so I'm pretty sure it's original. Sorry I don't have more views. vintagetvsets.com/temp/seeburg-woodgrain.jpg |
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Post by andylevine on Apr 24, 2017 19:42:44 GMT
Eric...THANK YOU!! Carls pictures referenced above gave me a real head start, this one confirms what I have seen. I have all my veneers down and they look REALLY close to this. Down to some staining then I get to work on the innards. www.dropbox.com/s/pnb0v6pp44puvpe/Veneers.jpg?dl=0 |
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Post by eric1959 on Apr 25, 2017 5:48:49 GMT
Your welcome Andy, I don't remember where exactly that came from, but I knew it was the cleanest B I had ever seen.
Mine is currently covered in a Cork pattern Vinyl contact paper, it doesn't look too bad from a distance. Some day I'll strip it off and Veneer it.
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Post by eric1959 on Apr 26, 2017 1:11:54 GMT
Andy, I didn't see your picture before, is that the Zebrawood Veneer that Victory Glass sells? Or? It looks like a nearly perfect match!
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Post by andylevine on May 6, 2017 15:55:08 GMT
Andy, I didn't see your picture before, is that the Zebrawood Veneer that Victory Glass sells? Or? It looks like a nearly perfect match! Eric, I got my veneer from Veneer Factory Outlet. It is VERY close to the pic you sent. I really wish I would have seen your pic before I laid the big sides down. I knew I had two choices with how to lay the grain...in line with the back edge or in line with the slanted front. I guessed wrong  Only a minor distraction, but im pretty OCD about stuff like that. I guess this means I'll have to do it the other way on the next one LOL!!!! Testing out stains today...havent found any i like yet |
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Post by eric1959 on May 8, 2017 21:50:52 GMT
Thanks for the link Andy. Whos to say there weren't variations on which way the grain runs, I found this link to a German Jukebox site that has an illustration of one that looks OEM and the grain appears to run nearly straight up and down. www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Seeburg/SeeburgM100B.htmThey call it an M100BL but I thought the one with the orange rack and beige cover was just a B? |
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Post by Ron Rich on May 8, 2017 23:33:19 GMT
Eric,
The BL on that site is in-correct--It appears to be an early "artists conception" as the color of the BL mechanism was green, not red. The mirrors are blue on the BL,vs. clear on a B. As for the "way the grain ran" these phonos had no grain, as it was a photo process ( then called "di-noc" ). Ron Rich
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Post by andylevine on May 15, 2017 18:47:47 GMT
There is a fairly comprehensive set of pictures for a complete, original B that just showed up on eBay. Great reference material: eBay 100B |
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Post by Ron Rich on May 15, 2017 18:56:30 GMT
Appears to be an original finish--although the description is incorrect--B's were made in 1949/50 as the 50 model year model, BL's in 50/51.
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Semantics, yes, but I had hoped someone had a B that was still in its 'original' shape, DiNoc and all, so I could judged what I am shooting for. There must still be a few out there that someone hasnt stripped and painted.
Only a minor distraction, but im pretty OCD about stuff like that. I guess this means I'll have to do it the other way on the next one LOL!!!!