WARNING on, Seeburgs using "Latch bar solenoids"

[Ron Rich]

What do you want to "replace" and why ? Ron Rich

[armandh]

Jan 12, 2021 22:33:55 GMT pinbot69 said:

So I have and r that someone wired a free play and reject button I am assuming this what we are talking about?
if so what brand should I be looking to replace this?

what the fo [faux] credit unit does is release engage the solenoid when the first button is pushed and releases on the second button or time out

this avoids the solenoid being left on

yes there are other ways like a push button in parallel with the coin switch

just be sure to use all the credits

[wilitrun]

Hi all
I can see someone with a SS160 has replied here already. My latch bar solenoid is in that same place- for those that aren't aware, there are two service pins on each end of the fluorescent tube that allows you to lift and tip out the front glass for easier access. Someone prior to myself removed the coin acceptor/rejector and has somehow wired the latch bar solenoid to remain energized whenever the power is on as Ron has warned. However, the "Release" button does work to de-energize the solenoid. I can already see that the credit wheel on my DPU is damaged- a few teeth have been broken and the rest are heavily worn, but all fuses are intact and correct.
What I have done is simply move one of the wires on the "Release" button to the center terminal, so that the latch bar solenoid is energized ONLY when the "Release" button is pressed and held down. In this way, I can press and hold, make my selection, release the "Release" button and the record plays as normal. The latch bar solenoid remains relaxed and cool.
Does anyone have any cautions against this, or is it really that simple on the SS160 model?

[armandh]

sorry to be repeticious

I have built several 3 relay credit / free-plays for V through LS2.

using an old DPU or credit box to make it plug compatible,
the switches on the keyboard get new uses.
when the first number or letter is pushed
the parallel switches pull in the latch relay which energies the solenoid
and opens the power to the time out relay.
when the second button is pushed the series contacts [with the over center springs]
pull in the second [selection] relay it delivers the selection pulse, opens the power to the solenoid,
starts the motor relay, and optionally turns off the power to the "make any selection" lamp.
if the second button is not pushed the cap across the time-out relay is depleted and it opens the power to the solenoid.
the first button pressed is released and power to the time out relay is restored.

see it
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQXz9lcI2y4

[wilitrun]

May 28, 2024 0:59:20 GMT armandh said:

sorry to be repeticious

I have built several 3 relay credit / free-plays for V through LS2.

using an old DPU or credit box to make it plug compatible,
the switches on the keyboard get new uses.
when the first number or letter is pushed
the parallel switches pull in the latch relay which energies the solenoid
and opens the power to the time out relay.
when the second button is pushed the series contacts [with the over center springs]
pull in the second [selection] relay it delivers the selection pulse, opens the power to the solenoid,
starts the motor relay, and optionally turns off the power to the "make any selection" lamp.
if the second button is not pushed the cap across the time-out relay is depleted and it opens the power to the solenoid.
the first button pressed is released and power to the time out relay is restored.

see it
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQXz9lcI2y4

 That's really interesting!
I watched through all your videos the last time you replied to one of my posts, but I've learned a thing or two since then - I also now have three Seeburgs (my SS160, a U100 Discotheque Jr. and an SE100 Golden Jet) and also picked up an HLPC-1 console for parts, so I've had some time to tinker with everything. I'll have to rewatch them!
You mentioned a high-power amplifier SHP1- my HLPC hideaway console has an SHP3 in it that I'd love to make use of - so I would hazard a guess the SHP1 maybe came out of an HLS-1 which would have been expected to power several consolettes and maybe some remote speakers. My HLPC also has one of the booster transformers for adding more wallboxes (DCPS1) as well.
It had never occurred to me that a repeat or erase function could be added. I'll have to start paying a lot more attention to your posts. Thank you for sharing what you know!