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Post by Echoic on Mar 24, 2021 4:06:17 GMT
Hello everyone... This is going to be a strange and most likely fruitless last ditch attempt at saving my sanity in a distant hope this has happened to someone else.
I use my NSM Performer wall 100 cd jukebox on random everyday. For some reason it consistently chooses the same songs. Not even just the same cd but the same songs. It can go a day and not play those songs but it eventually goes back to them. All the cds play eventually but there is a group of songs that just plays all the time.
I have reprogrammed everything I can find in the manual. The memory seems to be working great (It remembers credits and selections and settings). It is set to run random from all 100 cds.
I have another jukebox that is setup the same and it plays all the songs and cds on random.
If anyone can help me I would be forever grateful.
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Post by jukenorman on Mar 24, 2021 11:21:14 GMT
Hi Jim,
Is the other jukebox an NSM ESV - are you comparing like with like? The problem with "random" is that it's actually not overly easy to achieve in a programmed situation. So you have something which mixes up the tracks to some predetermined format giving the appearance of random - which would be good enough for casual use. I play music in my car from a memory stick on random and it's quite easy to spot that there's an underlying pattern.
Norman.
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Post by Ron Rich on Mar 24, 2021 13:02:56 GMT
Hi Jim,
Are you sure that they are both ESV 5's and neither is a 5.1 ? Ron Rich
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Post by Echoic on Mar 24, 2021 15:32:05 GMT
I am certain they are the same generation. The other model is an old fashioned Wizard and it has the same board inside.
I was hoping some program was overriding the random or was stuck in its memory. It just happens way too often. I can go a couple hours hearing different songs but then it throws in the same ones it always plays. It would almost make sense if it was just choosing the same cds but it is not even random on the cds.
I did have a digital thunder that was newer and it played all the songs on random perfectly. The digital thunder and wizard can play all day and I never hear the same song twice.
Thanks for trying to help.
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Post by Echoic on Mar 24, 2021 16:09:11 GMT
Maybe that is part of the solution.
I do not know the details of any differences between the versions of ES Vs. Maybe someone knows what the mechanism is that drives the random play. Maybe the performer has a different part. Could it be possible to change it?
They definitely have it working better on the other models.
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Post by jukenorman on Mar 24, 2021 16:25:50 GMT
Hi Jim,
The only other thing I can suggest is to compare the programming of the two machines, especially from P100 upwards ie the background music, attract, auto play etc to see if that is causing some sort of interupt to the random selection?
Norman.
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Post by Ron Rich on Mar 24, 2021 16:30:15 GMT
Hi Jim,
Iffin my great, but not too long memory serves me-- that was one of the "improvements" made to the updated version-- Once again--which version is installed in your phono - yes, if you have the newer chip, and the newer cheat-sheet ( programing was almost totally changed), it can be swapped, with zero problems. Ron Rich
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Post by Echoic on Mar 24, 2021 16:45:04 GMT
Both of their manuals appear the exact same and they are programmed the same but as you say maybe a chip is different. Does anyone happen to know of the name or part number of the chip that is in charge?
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Post by Ron Rich on Mar 24, 2021 19:46:58 GMT
Jim,
It's marked-- paper label applied to it will say Ver. V, or V.1. Ron Rich
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Post by Echoic on Mar 24, 2021 21:00:12 GMT
I apologize I must not understand correctly. Both of the jukeboxes say ES V on the board but I don't see anything on any chips. I can see the Ram chip and a few others but they just have numbers. Are you suggesting I could replace the whole board or one of the chips is responsible for the program?
Edit : I took a picture but it will not let me upload.
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Post by Ron Rich on Mar 25, 2021 2:46:59 GMT
One of the IC's should say "ESV" and a number--that's the program chip--my memory says it has a paper sticker on it with that info--which may have fallen off by now ? Do you have the "cheat sheet" for programming ? I know the later -1's said they were for an ESV, V.1. Ron Rich
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Post by Echoic on Mar 25, 2021 3:33:19 GMT
It appears that IC 1 is responsible for programing. I guess I need to know a) if those chips are plug and play or do I need to solder and b) is an ES V.1 chip compatible with an ES V board.
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Post by Echoic on Mar 25, 2021 10:17:38 GMT
Last night I left it on random for the evening and after 2 hours it just started playing all the same songs again. I guess it could be the limitations to the model but it still seems strange to me. I have never experienced this with other jukeboxes.
Do other people with this model have the same experience? It is certainly a very poorly written program if that was the best they could do.
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Post by Echoic on Mar 25, 2021 12:00:19 GMT
As another follow up... I just used the program to save 20 cds in memory for the random selection just to try something different. It played three songs and I was relieved to actually hear some new songs... And then it immediately re-played those three songs  It is almost like it will only pick one song on any cd. |
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Post by Ron Rich on Mar 25, 2021 12:54:06 GMT
Jim,
Yes-- the V.1 directly plugs into that board-- BUT, you will need to find a copy of the new "cheat sheet" as the info in the manual will not be the same for programming ! Ron Rich
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It is almost like it will only pick one song on any cd.