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Post by gjbrillo on Nov 26, 2023 15:31:05 GMT
from the back of the unit looking at the clutch i was able to use a screwdriver to push the lever forward and get it to scan both ways once. when i selected a record it went to the record but it did not scan after playing. I can manually push the level and get it to scan but ive not been able to get it to scan full cycle again.
Note for newbies, when selecting a record while trying to fix the unit pick a record in the center of the unit. i unfortunately picked a record that caused the player to go to one side almost blocking the clutch and safety level.
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Nov 26, 2023 17:22:44 GMT
I have no doubt you are trying.
My latest suggestion was aimed at determining weather your issue is mechanical or electrical, but you didn't report back with specific findings. That makes it impossible for me to suggest the next step.
So if you follow my previous post, what happens when you hold down the release lever with your finger?
Your most recent post said you were pushing a lever with a screwdriver... What lever were you pushing? Maybe we are miscommunicating. Please use Seeburg's nomenclature to describe the parts you are referring to.
Use your manual to find a specific parts name and supply a page number for reference if necessary. Then we'll know we are talking about the same thing.
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Post by gjbrillo on Nov 26, 2023 18:17:20 GMT
on page 2435 under B there are three clutches, i am pushing up on the level associated with clutches 2 and 3. That is what gets me to have the player scan. I am assuming you were referring to the "lease level on page 2434 the top inserted picture on that page (also on page 2438 A diagram). When i hold that level down it just recycles the record.
I have pictures and a video of the player cycling. is there a way to attach either?
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Nov 26, 2023 18:46:51 GMT
Great thanks!... that info confirms that the issue is with the clutch.
The lever you are referring to (associated with clutches 2 and 3) is named in the parts list on pages 2427G-5 and 2427G-6. It's called the 'clutch yoke lever'.
This lever is likely sticking and may be stuck to the 'yoke shaft' it's mounted on. This lever should move freely without any resistance.
The yoke lever and shaft will need to be lubricated. There may be other clutch parts requiring similar attention. It's not the easiest process to lubricate this lever with the clutch in place.
As far as videos, the easiest thing to do is load them to YouTube then post the link here.
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Post by gjbrillo on Nov 27, 2023 19:08:53 GMT
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Nov 27, 2023 19:21:08 GMT
I removed the back and oiled everything there a well (clutch and other areas). The video only confirms what I've been trying to say.
I know you said the that you lubed the clutch, but clearly that is the issue. At the risk of repeating myself... The clutch needs to be properly lubricated. The most likely cause for playing the same record over and over is a stuck clutch. This is a common Seeburg issue caused by lack of lubrication. Unfortunately the proper way to remedy this situation is to remove the clutch from the mechanism for cleaning and lubrication. Great thanks!... that info confirms that the issue is with the clutch. The yoke lever and shaft will need to be lubricated. There may be other clutch parts requiring similar attention. It's not the easiest process to lubricate this lever with the clutch in place. |
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Post by gjbrillo on Nov 27, 2023 19:30:16 GMT
when you say properly, i oiled it from the front of the unit, through the top, as well as from the back of the unit through the opening slot. Am i missing anything.
Also is there a way to upload a picture.
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Post by jukenorman on Nov 27, 2023 21:19:44 GMT
I can't actually envisage how it's possible to lube a Seeburg clutch from the front of the mech.! Have you got anything resembling a zoom spout oiler that you can use from the rear. Also if you remove the black cover on the right hand side of the record rack, you can get decent access to the clutch from the back in the park position - provided you can get it to drop into scan and move there! If you want a third opinion, Ron Rich - who worked at Seeburg for many years - will have covered clutches many times on this forum. And all 45rpm mech. clutches (I think I'm correct in saying, but I can check what Ron told me - see below) are similar. But even oiling the clutch may not cure your problem and there may be no option but to disassenble and clean it. I once had one where somebody had packed the base with thick grease lol!
What Ron told me about Seeburg clutches - Clutch MEMBERS, starting with the model 201, are all the same. The earlier ones (used from the B on thru VL, are slightly shorter longer, but the newer ones will work just fine in them--old members have a hard time in newer models. Clutch ASSEMBLIES, were made in three versions. Different top gear for the pre 201's, and different gearing for the 45 "native" verses the 33 native models (LPC's--APFEA1). and different "spacers" used in them too.
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Nov 27, 2023 22:39:45 GMT
What Norman said!!  Plus... I've worked on literally hundreds of Seeburg clutches. If the oils are severely dried out it is virtually impossible to lubricate the clutch in place. The oils simply won't reach the deep areas where the oil needs to be. Many yoke levers I have encountered were frozen so tightly to the yoke shafts that a heat gun was required to separate the parts! If you want to try to lubricate your yoke lever in place, you may be able to remove the 'C' clips and thin washers holding the shaft in place, then work the shaft (and the lever) left and right (with oil or penetrating oil) until the yoke lever is completely free... but there's not much room to do this. If you use penetrating oil, make sure you follow it up with regular oil. BTW, 'properly lubricated' means the parts are clean and moving freely, using the correct oil. P.S. There is no way to directly upload a photo, you'll need to use a third party photo hosting service. |
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Post by gjbrillo on Nov 29, 2023 19:24:28 GMT
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Post by jukenorman on Nov 29, 2023 20:03:57 GMT
I'm going to say this nicely - you need to pay attention to what we are telling you! The updated videos don't tell us anything we don't already know.
Going back to the beginning - you must get the clutch member to drop. Ron's sticky post instructs you how to do this and Marty has patiently tried to coach you further. Do this manually. Then do what I said two posts up - that way you will get the best access to the clutch with it in situ. You can then see what you are oiling so oil and exercise. That's your best chance. Good luck!
Norman.
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Post by gjbrillo on Nov 29, 2023 22:59:34 GMT
Believe me I am paying attention . I have the sticky where i took every turn and googled the terms i don't know and “try” to folllow the instructions . As frustrating it is to you, its many more times as frustrating to me See if this video helps whats going on youtube.com/shorts/oYrFCfXmbTw?si=vfz1Oj6FDqmsJLma |
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Nov 30, 2023 1:12:14 GMT
The latest video suggests that the safety plunger is not moving freely causing the clutch's connecting link to get hung up.
This would prevent the clutch from dropping into scan.
I feel we are wasting our time, because this was mentioned much earlier: It is possible that the 'safety lever' is preventing the mechanism from transitioning into scan. You can see the lever on page 2439 of the service manual. The safety levers do not usually go out of adjustment, but they do get stuck from lack of lubrication. The safety plunger should slide all the way to the right before the hook on the connecting link comes down. If the 'safety plunger', the 'safety trip lever', or the 'detent arm lever' is not moving (fast) enough, it needs better ('proper') lubrication. And please... Don't say it's already been 'properly' lubricated:
I followed your instructions, I bought the correct oil and cleaned and oiled the safety level, i even went on YouTube to watch videos on what also to oil. Still, no scan, in fact, know the unit is playing the 45 finishing and playing the same song again and again. Try to understand...
If the safety trip assembly (including the detent arm lever) is not lubricated to point that it is functioning freely and correctly, then the job is not done right.
If the clutch assembly is not lubricated to the point that it is functioning freely and correctly, then the job is not done right.
These parts may need to be disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated to ensure they will work correctly. This was also mentioned multiple times.
Your problem lies between the clutch assembly and/or the safety trip assembly.
End of story.
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