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[cedric]

Hi Ron,

I took a closer look. and even stranger, there are only 2 cables connected to this tube  (terminals 2 and 5) I understand better why there's no light inside tube. But why he had and effect on stepper, it's crazy.
This tsr bought in Holland, and which was supposed to be in perfect condition, was tinkered badly 
I will take it to an electronics engineer to redo it completely. 
Have a nice day/night! Cédric.

[Ron Rich]

Hi Cedric,
OK--let us know-- Ron Rich

[cedric]

Hi Ron,
Sure, I ll do. Look, first pix, my tsr who works perfectly.
Second pix, tsr bought in Holland.
Missing some cables, no? 😅

[Ron Rich]

Hi Cedric,
Yes it would appear there are some differences ? Ron Rich

[cedric]

Hi Ron, everyone,

Well I received my TSR, rebuild as original.

So, I've connect my wallbox, and as you imagine, there's prob. 

Here's a pix where you can see that there's a new relay (placed by ancient owner, from Ireland)






Prob is when I insert a coin, lights turn On, normal, but motor don't turn. If I help a little the motor, it turns.

Someone has already seen this modification with this kind of relay?

Thanks in advance

Have a good end of sunday.

Cédric.

[Ron Rich]

Hi Cedric,
Well, there is really no way for me to know what this person who installed that relay, did. The wallbox should have a pricing unit, installed there. Are the keys "locking" when the select light is not lit, or when a coin is inserted ?? Ron Rich

[cedric]

Hi Ron,

Thanks again for your return and help. I'll do a little video soon to show what's happen.
Have a nice day.
Cédric.

[jukenorman]

Hi Cedric,
As Ron says, the credit unit has been replaced by that relay. It's a 24V AC relay so I'm guessing what's been done is that the relay is sitting normally in the de-energised position and enabling credit. When the buttons are depressed and the motor runs, the relay is energised by the motor starting switches. When the buttons are released and the motor reaches the standby position, the relay de-energises and enables credit moving the motor to the credit position. Or something like that! It's a 3 pole changeover relay and doesn't look like there are many wires - is more than one pole used and can you see where the wires go?

Norman.

[cedric]

Hi Ron, Hi Normand,

Thanks for your answer.

Here a video: photos.app.goo.gl/f7RBn8pZ7UhR3EDy6

As you can see, relay is exiting when you put credit (light turns on always with credit, but motor turn alone 1 time on 10 when you put credit. 9 time on 10, I help it)

Here, a "diagram" for the wiring on the relay.



Thanks and good evening.

Cédric.

[jukenorman]

Hi Cedric,
My guesswork above was obviously not correct! It's difficult to tell what's happening from the video, other than the buttons aren't latching. When you insert a coin and the relay energises, does the credit light come on? Let's start at the beginning!

Norman.

[cedric]

Hello Normand,
Yes, when a coin is inserted, light turns on (make a selection)

Thanks 🙂

Cédric

[Ron Rich]

Hi Cedric,
From what I see, the relay is supposed to replace the closed, when credit is established, credit contacts, in the pricing unit-- It appears to me that your "carry-over/motor start switch" is failing to make good contact to advance the cam to the credit position. Watch the cam-- find the switch it opens, when you "give it a little help"-- and clean/service that contact-- Ron Rich

[cedric]

Ron, Normand,

Thanks, I ll look this evening.

Have a nice day.

Cédric.

[cedric]

H Ron, Normand, 

I continue my research to connect my wallbox. There's a little prob with the relay (the new) , sometimes, it does not stick well. So, I'll do necessary for it, one less prob I think 


Now I can make a selection from the wallbox, I hear the stepper working, but that's all, cart does not move.

I see something that amazes me in my stepper. I don't have the "reset magnet switch assembly" (page 5133, part 29)

My stepper is in really good condition and looks like original, so maybe you know if Seeburg had, at one moment, stop to place this part?

It can works with it?

Thanks to all and have a nice day, night, evening...


Cédric. 

[Ron Rich]

Hi Cedric,
Nope-- won't/can't work without that part ! Ron Rich