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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 4, 2023 23:17:23 GMT
Hello everyone,
I am new to these forums and the art of jukebox repair alike. A few months ago, I purchased a 1964 2810 Wurlitzer Jukebox that asides from being dirty, smoky and dusty, worked pretty well and had no problems-- except that it had one persistent issue, this machine suffered from something called the famous "Wurlitzer shuffle" where instead of the record carousel/basket spinning smoothly, it would spin "staccato" like in short movements and was acting on the " transfer switch" while everything else on the machine worked perfectly.
Fast forward to a few weeks ago and I've taken apart the machine and extremely meticulously cleaned every surface of it inside and out, the issue of the "Wurlitzer shuffle" was fixed but more problems have arisen... Now, the selector arms one each side both no longer work and do not bring up the record up to the spindle or do anything, the carousel seems to be trying to spin but is hindered by something (It spins about a inch or two, smoothly, but then stops.)
The reset button seems to also have stopped working, but when a selection is made via keyboard(works) the bottom selector below spins continuously, while the upper carousel does not UNLESS I manually trip the selector/mute switches, which I suspect could also be disadjusted and causing an issue.
Perhaps there is another issue I am overlooking or something I did not do correctly? I also have not been able to find images on what positions the selector/mute switches are supposed to be. Thank you very much and I look forward to joining this community.
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Oct 5, 2023 4:01:19 GMT
It seems you are indicating the mechanism gets jammed and the motor hasn't reversed.
Is the selector crank arm straining against a selected latch pin on the electric selector?
Can you confirm that you have a 2810? The selector assembly for the 2810 doesn't have a motor that spins, however the selector for the model 2800 does.
Do you have a service manual for this machine? A service manual is necessary so we have a common point of reference when trying to assist you.
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 5, 2023 22:21:30 GMT
Thank you for responding. I confirm that we have a 2810 Model, and the complete manual series/parts list of the Wurlitzer 2800 series manual.
No, the selector crank is not resting against any latch pin and also when I spin the carousel above, it will spin freely.
Also, when I manually make a selection on the electric selector by pressing one of the solenoid selectors, the selected latch pin will move up but nothing else will happen. How could I post videos and pictures to help clarify?
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 5, 2023 22:59:59 GMT
link. Wurlitzer 2810 pictures
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Oct 5, 2023 23:45:25 GMT
...but when a selection is made via keyboard(works) the bottom selector below spins continuously, while the upper carousel does not
I'm lost. What is spinning, and what is not spinning? Try to use the terminology from the manual.
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Oct 5, 2023 23:46:39 GMT
BTW, You can use YouTube for videos.
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 6, 2023 2:33:02 GMT
Sorry about this. So basically when I am doing a selection on the keyboard, a latch pin is released in the electric selector and at that point nothing more is happening.
By maintaining the cancel/eject button pressed, the selector crank is spinning along with the cam record clamp.If I release the button, everything stops. If I play with the transfer/ mute & play switches,the carousel will start spinning and the turntable will start spinning too.
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Oct 6, 2023 4:09:32 GMT
I'm still having trouble visualizing what's going on.
The 'cam, record clamp' (page 71, fig 98, part 10) should not be turning at the same time as the 'selector crank' (page 77, fig 104, part 3).
Is the record carrier (carousel) turning in sync with the selector crank (it should)? The record carrier should only be able to turn clockwise (as viewed from the top).
Maybe it's time for you to post a video.
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 6, 2023 5:09:57 GMT
Yes, you are right it's video time . The carousel is not turning at all. And yes the cam record clamp is turning at the same time as the selector crank. And it does only if I press the cancel/eject button.
Also I have a quick question, where is the service switch?
I'll do a video tomorrow.
Thank you very much for your help and patience.
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Post by jukenorman on Oct 6, 2023 7:54:24 GMT
I'm also a bit confused - although Wurlitzers are not a particularly strong point for me - but my initial thought was that this had been re-assembled with the record carrier not engaged with its drive pin?
Norman.
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 6, 2023 12:45:15 GMT
Thank you, but not no the drive pin is in place.
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Post by jukeboxmarty on Oct 6, 2023 20:22:51 GMT
If the mechanism is assembled correctly, the record carousel and the selector crank must rotate together. They should never rotate independently.
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Post by gordo on Oct 7, 2023 1:14:29 GMT
Hi rascalian69,
I'm not sure if this will help.....
My friend had an older model Wurlitzer with a similar problem. He had removed the record carousel.
When he reinstalled it, it failed to turn with the selector crank. He had failed to realign the two parts. Crank and carousel.
We (slowly) turned the carousel in reverse and felt it click into place. Away it went and has not been a problem since.
Hope you get it fixed.
Gordo....
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 7, 2023 2:25:43 GMT
Uhm interesting, I'll give it a try. So I guess you gently need to hold the back stop pawl retracted to be able to turn the carousel counterclockwise? Also in which position should be the selecter crank arm lower or high during this process?
Thank you for helping I am in the process of uploading a video on Youtube
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Post by rascalian69 on Oct 7, 2023 2:26:21 GMT
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